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In LA Coders Are Scared To Take Risks

In Los Angeles, it’s pretty hard to find good coders for a startup in this market. I’d say even harder than in Silicon Valley. Social media experts are easy to come by here, though. Why? Most coders in LA are scared.

To start things off, I just want to say that I’ve tried and swung for the fences at an LA startup at a very reduced salary. I am still smarting psychologically and fortunately no longer financially from it, but as soon as I’m strong enough, like tomorrow, I will start swinging for the fences again.

I’ll talk about perks that companies in LA offer, the difference between the labor force in LA and Silicon Valley, and what companies in LA can do to hire new recruits for a startup.

Perks

Most startups provide the following perks:
1. A new laptop
2. A new phone
3. 1 to 2 telecommute days per week because the LA traffic is awful.

More established companies like Google & Microsoft can provide on top:
4. a stipend for further education ($2000 – $10000 / year)
5. daycare
6. “free” lunch — we know that this means shorter lunches and higher productivity
7. gym
8. trips to conferences like SxSW or the Web 2.0 Expo or Macworld

With the new Google office opening in Venice there will provide further strain on a small pool of coders.

The Talent Pool: LA vs. Silicon Valley

The pool is interesting. (source: http://www.calmis.ca.gov/htmlfile/msa/sf.htm & http://www.calmis.ca.gov/htmlfile/county/losangel.htm )

Silicon Valley Information Technology Workers (excludes hardware, e.g. Apple, Intel, financial software which would total 387,000): 49,900

Los Angeles Information Technology Workers (excludes hardware, financial software which would total 758,000): 106,100

Despite having a smaller pool of talent, Silicon Valley tech workers’ companies are able to produce 1% of the GDP of the United States or $174 billion annually.

Compare this with Los Angeles which despite having sheer numbers will only produce $10 billion this year.

Silicon Valley produces $3.8 million per worker and Los Angeles roughly $90,000 — just enough to keep the lights on.

How do we account for this discrepancy?

I did an informal survey of different Los Angeles based Information technology companies. One common theme: although espousing a culture of innovation, and although some are very profitable, most are simply not cutting edge, and some are very behind the times. This means that Los Angeles is not taking advantage of innovations in automation.

Let’s take MySpace which many used to be a flagship of Internet technology in Los Angeles. In most Silicon Valley Startups, coders know SQL, a major scripting language as well as HTML and CSS. However MySpace had positions solely for just HTML/CSS, a trend that harkened back to the 90s when web pages were manually created.

Another Los Angeles great, eHarmony.com, uses 40 to 50 engineers for its matchmaking algorithm and servers, whereas OKCupid.com uses only 10.

Also, the *big* main factor is that if you look at the graduating class of 2011 from Stanford for CS and compare it with UCLA, UCLA has only 60 CS majors out of 800 going to startups. Stanford has half!

How do you recruit? How do you get unscared?

The pool is so limited but deceptively so. In LA the coders are there, more than there are in Silicon Valley. The options seem to be:

1. Train people willing to take the risk on a startup.
2. Entice folks in already cushy Fortune 1000 jobs or similar to jump ship.

I’ve done option number 1 a few times already and it can take 6 months to a year assuming they’ve got the chops. Option 2 is still a bit of a mystery to me. If you have any thoughts for making LA coders take more risk, please feel free to comment below.

12 replies on “In LA Coders Are Scared To Take Risks”

Having graduated with a degree in CS last year from UCLA, I can attest to your statistic of only 60/800 going to startups (that sounds high to me actually).

The culture that pervades the engineering school at UCLA is just not very entrepreneurial. Although I didn’t know everyone in the CS department, I can only remember maybe 2 or 3 that had even remote startup aspirations. Everyone else believed working for MegaCorps like Microsoft, Google, Lockheed Martin, and even the Big 4 like PwC was “the dream.” I couldn’t take it. You’d find me at Anderson taking MBA courses, attending their annual entrepreneur conference, and interning at startups like ShoeDazzle. I had to pester my co-founder non-stop for months before he agreed to join me.

However, I believe UCLA is moving in the right direction. During my last year, they began to invite more famous alumni entrepreneurs like Ben Horowitz of a16z to come talk/recruit, and I also noticed many more startups at the career fairs. Maybe you can band together with other startups (Launchpad LA?) to accelerate this culture change at schools like UCLA, USC, and Caltech. Or possibly partner up with each school’s respective business schools to imbue that entrepreneurial mindset.

Feel free to email me if you’d like to talk about this more, as I completely agree that if LA were to succeed as a startup hub it needs to recruit better from its local schools. (I’m actually from the bay area, so I moved back)

Jono

Anyone will tell you that the good, ambitious engineers go to Silicon Valley, period.

My feel of it is that the number, quality, and terms of VCs in LA aren’t as favorable to coders. The population pool numbers don’t quite feel right to me, but maybe the higher numbers in LA drives lower compensation, which drives less risk taking.

Or from my admittedly anecdotal sample of network functions in SV and LA, the LA startups are more money oriented – maybe as a side effect from the entertainment industry influence? However, both the money and the tech itself are important for innovation, but LA lacks the tech focus from investors at the startup stage. I think this also drives startup compensation lower.

Those numbers are quite far from correct.
I can probably name more software development workers than cited here for the silicon valley.
All the rest falls from those silly assumptions.

This is the problem in creating informal analyses from collections of disparate informal numbers. Problem isn’t shown to exist, so solution is moot.

There’s a lot of startup activity in the SF bay area… if people want to be part of that, they generally move there. Besides, in the bay area, you need to own a successful startup in order to be able to afford a place to live.

Interesting read, I’m in LA now been looking to meet other developers hard to find any networks and meet and greet, coming from phoenix and moved out here doing development work

I spent the past 6 years in San Francisco at startups. Admittedly I wouldn’t have learned and done as much without being there. However, I don’t think L.A. coders are scared to take risks. Instead, they just haven’t been given the same opportunities.

I moved back to L.A. 2 months ago from San Francisco and starting a tech company in L.A. With my experience, I’ll be doing option #1 for my startup when I’m hiring. It’s my belief that you just need to hire honest and hungry people for startups, not “talent”.

So yeah… I’m an L.A. coder and I’m not afraid to take a risk.

Where did you get the idea that MySpace had pure HTML/CSS positions? That is definitely not true. It was more like the opposite – a bunch of heavy hitting C# folks who thought HTML/CSS was beneath them and couldn’t code it worth a damn.

@Fred Grott I stand corrected. Thanks!

@Jay Huff Are you still around? There’s the LA Hacker News Meetup on 7/23 at 3 pm at The Coloft in Santa Monica.

@Brklynwify I got the idea from MySpace directly when they sponsored the LA CSS Meetup in order to hire HTML/CSS folks.

Dear readers, this post has created lots of controversy. I will definitely look at my numbers again this weekend. However, if you look at the broad strokes… it is a fact that there are more coders in LA than in Silicon Valley. Very few of them go to startups which are in dire need of coders right now.

@barce MySpace is severely deficient in css/html talent (obviously) – I guarantee there are and never were pure html/css people on the dev team. Maybe in design or off in the sales team.

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